Hello Chris. Thanks for doing this interview.
We are a fan of duraluxe and want to know if
duraluxe is working on some new stuff? What can we
expect from you guys in the future?
troy and i are working on a few new things,were in
a regrouping phase right now. troy wanted to go back
to school in his hometown of evansville, indiana. that
is where we are right now. we have been playing a few
show as "la honda", just to play non duraluxe tunes.
we are starting a new record right now. we have
about three songs in the works. it's a departure from
"the suitcase", sorta. after three years in los
angeles\orange county, we have had it with anything
commercial sounding. i don't know who will put a new
record out, we never have had a solid label situation,
three records on three labels, it's frustrating to try
and do good work and not have any label support. i
always pay for our records myself. i never see
royalties. a labor of love, i reckon.
Where did duraluxe receive inspiration for the
concept behind "the suitcase?"
that record is about moving and travelling. we have
lived in nashville, athens, southern california, and
toured a lot since we started the band. we tried to
capture the discombobulated state of mind we get in
when you spend your life travelling with three dollars
in your pocket, and no idea when or where you might
score a meal. the record is also about missing your
friends who are scattered about the globe. i had to
move to california in a hurry when gene eugene died. i
had to finish his projects and run the studio. i had
to walk away from my life in athens with no notice. i
guess the suitcase is mostly about longing for a sense
of stability.
Your breaskfast with amy material is classic in
our eyes. Where did you find the inspiration, as a
group, to make such thought-provoking, creative, and
chaotic music?
breakfast with amy, gee that was so long ago. i
don't think i'm the same person i was then, so it is
getting hard to comment on it. i was an art student at
the time, i think it was mostly motivated as a "dada-ist"
comment on modern christianity. i have a hard time
with the way christianity is percieved and understood
in our little world. BWA was an attempt to get people
to notice the riduculous fashion in which the faith
has mutated into this alienating beast, that i have
witnessed doing as much damage as good in its
presentation and understanding.
the band,BWA, was about as disfunctional a band as
you can find. no rehearsals, no rules and as many
agendas as members. we were inspired a lot by things
happening in l.a. at the time. bands like redd kross,
janes addiction, and arty bands like sonic youth and
bad brains were sorta an influence. as a band we all
agreed on sixties pop, so stylistically we started
there and let the modern influences direct us.
sixties pop was the form, our enviroment and times
were the motivation. i kinda miss the performance art
part of it. the shows were riduculous, lots of fire.
How did you learn how to play guitar?
how did i learn to play guitar? the ramones and
echo and the bunnymen. I did take lessons for a little
while from a guy named rusty anderson, he now plays
for paul mccartney. after a few months of lessons
he said i should go develop my own style, i thought at
the time he was dissmissing me because i sucked, but i
think he believed i really had a thing. it's taken me
20 years, but i do have a thing with the guitar i call
my own.
Besides recording and producing, do you have any
other great experiences you would like to share, like
doing sound for U2 or working for MTV?
outside the recording studio i've done some cool
things. i worked for a company in nyc called effanel
music. they have recording trucks and did a lot of
live recording for mtv, vh-1 and jive like that. i got
to record the sex pistols for 120 minutes, the
butthole surfers, too. i worked on a patti smith live
recording, an elvis costello "storytellers" show for
vh-1.i've done a lot of tour sound, from small club
tours to stadiums. oh man, a stadium with 40,000
people in it and i'm in charge of the sound. it's a
power trip.
Name 3 cd's that you've worked on that you're
most proud of and why.
that is hard to do. i've done maybe 400 records. it
changes a lot. i'm really proud of my mix on the new
ester drang "infinite keys". a great record. the first
morella's forest ummmm, "superdeluxe" i think it's
called has always been close to my heart. all the joe
christmas\summer hymns stuff. the choir, mineral,
anything lassie . "pacifico", oh man, what an amazing
record. i mixed it in like five hours, andy prickett
tracked it. perfect. when the magic is there, all the
planets line up and it falls together. oh yeah, the
billions, a moment of musical magic. i didn't know
them, the label was nervous about these kids, they
thought the songs were too long and were afraid to
make the band edit them down in pre-production. on the
first day of pre-prod, i told the band the label
needed three pop songs, so we will leave you alone for
a couple hours. take your three poppiest songs and
make them three minute hits. cupie(eric campuzano) and
i went outside, smoked a bunch of cigarettes, went
back in, and the band had arranged things perfectly.
i could go on all day before i settle on three cd's
What bands have you been a formal member of, and
give us an idea of how you feel about each band's
output?
fluffy-flipper and melvins meet the adolescents.
the funnest band i was in. no rules, just punk rock.
i'm the only former member without a masters degree.
my roots are punk rock. i don't know if people got it,
is was a little heavy with sarcasm.
breakfast with amy-just what 80's christian music
needed. the first time i met gene eugene he went off
on me about how i was cheapening the market with that
crap. we became great friends. BWA was definately a
product of the times.
duraluxe-somewhere along the way i realized that i
could actually write good songs. troy o'daugherty and
i have a thing when we write. we both get to use our
non-music influences in this band. we let william
burroughs influence our lyric writing, a lot of cut
ups, we get to show our bob dylan influences work,
country, folk, grunge, shoegazer, we agree, agree,
agree.
i hope more people will get to hear the duraluxe
records, there is something there, if you dig in a
little.
i've been an informal member of many bands, but i
have not been in too many bands of my own, the studio
thing takes a lot of time.
Besides duraluxe, what other music are you
working on right now?
i have been taking a little break. three years at
the green room wore me out. i worked on about 40
records in three years. they each take a little bit of
my soul. i have been spending a lot of time listening
to my vinyl collection and making beats on my
computer. i'm itching to get back into action. the
last thing i worked on was some summer hymns in athens
in feb., before that i was in chicago mixing the ester
drang record.
Give us your thoughts on the recording process
of the prayer chain's mercury (one of our fave cd's at
somewhere cold)
a good record takes a little conflict, mercury was
a f$%#@&g war! you can hear the band
break up on the record, you can see them extend a warm
and heartfelt middle finger to the industry. it
started off with a lot of hope and expectation, trying
to escape the grunge tag they got from shawl. the
first couple weeks were great, it was wayne, eric,
andy, steve hindalong and myself. the drones were
taken seriously, the verve and drummers of burundi
were blasting through the big speakers, there was some
strong drink. we were left alone. after this first
couple of weeks tim showed up. then the label people
started to hang around the sessions. this is when the
war began, tim and the label vs. everyone else.
don't get me wrong, i love tim, but he loved the
rock star aspects of the shawl era, while the rest of
them wanted to be taken seriously as artists. their
quick rise and sucess kinda alienated them from a lot
of the musicians who had paid their dues, but recieved
no glory.
anyway, i was the first person at the studio on the
first day, and i finished the last mixes by myself, i
was the last man standing. i think the conflict is
what makes that record pretty good, i wish the
original version was the one released. the label kinda
ruined it for me with all the changes. the best
moment- andy singing sunstoned. the best vocal on the
record. the drone for humb, which was mostly my doing,
was fun. the tapes for mercury were in my possession
for years. one day i came home and found that my
basement was flooded. floating across the water was
the box for reel two of mercury. the track sheet for
grylliade was washed up on the stairs. the masters for
that record are now in a nashville landfill.
You have put out a call to travel around and
record people. With all your experience and
established reputation in music, what drives you to do
this?
mostly the experience that compells me is the
adventure, the travel. i've been everywhere in north
america, i went to norway to record, in january of
2001, january dude. it was like minus 10 the whole
time.
how did you discover drones?
o.k., bear with me on drones, i get a little
metaphysical about drones. i'm a big fan of indian
music, and i really like to study religion and the
nature of belief. i read the Upanishads as much as the
Bible, i study all religions to define my own beliefs.
the drone is important, it's the sound of the mystery
of the universe. it is the "OM", or more accurately
the AUM of meditation. the buddhists, the hindus and
the early church of Christ all use the AUM, gregorians,
russian orthodox, they take the directive to pray and
meditate much more seriously than american
christianity.
when done properly all the vowel sounds are
represented, consonants are interruptions, the beat is
an interruption of the essential sound. the drone
should put you in a place to recieve the resounding
being that is the universe. in Hesse 's siddartha the
river was the drone that put the hero in touch with
God.
an example would be the prayer chain "humb" drone.
it really can open you up to recieve the message, it
is calming and rapturous at the same time. the
sanskrit term for this is "ananda". that it the
meaning of the last letter of the AUM. so the drone is
the meditation. it could be with properties, like
meditating on God, or without properties, and meditate
on the Formless, wich is a property of God. the drone
is a prayer and a meditation, the song of the
universe, and a vehicle to bring one to the feet of
God.
i think a lot of western christians are missing a
big part of the experience of God by denying this part
in their lives. christianity is an eastern religion,
and has all the properties of the religions that
predate it. the meditation, the drone, is part of the
experience, just sit down, shut up, and listen. God
will sing for you. oh yeah, don't be afraid of the
great metaphor that reveals God. as history
christianity is complicated, as metaphor is beautiful,
graceful and compassionate. oh no, there is a duality
for you.
Who are your favorite artists to listen to?
bob dylan, yo la tengo, stereolab, miles davis,
lenz\swift, stan getz, edith piaf, indian music, ali
farka toure.
Do you have any advice for young musicians
getting started out?
worry about songs-not gear, learn rhythm, learn to
tune, listen to the beatles, get a lawyer.
Any other comments? (URL, contact info, etc.)
my contact info,fabulouschris@hotmail.
i haven't a website yet. thanks a lot, i feel like
i've been to a therapist, chrissy
Chris Colbert
(part 2) on extra fluffy, steve
hindalong, mercury, etc
by Jason
and Brent
Who is the songwriter you most
respect?
bob dylan, the only real poet of
the rock and roll era. his lyrics are
as relevent now as they were in the
sixties, and his current albums are
masterful. if your are a touring
musician the highway 61 revisited
record will make you cry. if you want
to know how a rock star should act,
check out the movie don't look back.
Who is the producer/engeneer you
most respect?
roger moutenot, soley for the yo la
tengo records, and geoff emerick, for
the beatles. i have a lot of respect
for a lot of the steve albini stuff, i
respect his ethic about the historic
affect of our trade.
When will a new Duraluxe cd see
the light of day?
i have no idea, nobody seems
interested in duraluxe, at all. troy
and i write songs for fun, but people
have stopped caring enough to give us
any sort of budget to record or tour.
were not that fashionable right now.
we don't really have a vast catalogue
of unreleased songs, maybe 40 songs we
are sitting on that have not seen the
light of day. some of these recordings
date back 5 or 6 years, songs that
didn't fit on a record. i don't know
if they will ever see the light of
day.
The new song, sweaty cigarette,
appeared on the new GTA comp. What was
the inspiration behind that song?
sweaty cigarette is a troy song. he
says its about touring in a hot,
smelly van.
What is the least favorite cd
you have worked on?
least favorite musically or
personally? there is a big difference.
some of the biggest records i've
worked on were nightmarish ordeals
(see tpc's mercury) due to environment
and personalities, some were just bad
music, like swing praise2 or fanmail
2000. i worked for months on a randy
stonehill kids record, with terry
taylor. i love terry, but i thought
this record would kill me. stonehill
is a pompous, ego driven ass who has
lost the ability to sense his own
irrelevance. some bands have been
rude, disrespectful, like sean turner
from johnny q public, who ripped off
the green room. i had to threaten to
call his mom to get him to cough up
even a little money for some new
crappy project he was working on a
couple years ago. people lie, a lot,
in the christian market and they think
they have a special deal with God who
will absolve their crap because of
their great art. yeah, right. just pay
me and i'll do a really good job.
the green room closed because the
owner, gene eugene was a partner in
the studio but not the owner, didn't
want to do it anymore. it was a tragic
scene when i went to the funeral and
the wake. people were taking tapes,
threatening to sue, somebody even
stole gene's guitar. people are
animals when they should be saints. i
went to help my friends., i got lied
to a lot. the owner didn't have the
spirit to do it anymore. she wanted to
get her life back, and she wanted the
space to mourn gene, which was hard to
do when christian labels are beating
down your door and threatening to take
your house away because gene didn't
finish a record. he didn't finish some
records because he fuckin' died, man!
What is your working
relationship with Steve Hindalong
like?
i have not worked with hindalomg in
a few years. i think i met hindalong
on the lifesavers "pop life" record,
back in blonde vinyl days, 1990, i
guess. I'm not sure how many records
steve and i have worked on together,
but it was some cool ones, joe
christmas, morella's forest, at the
foot of the cross, the prayer chain,
and the choir stuff. i also spent a
lot of time on the road with them,
mostly for their "circle slide" days.
they were great then. i had seen youth
choir a few times, i thought the stand
up drummer thing was kinda dumb, i did
like the fact that derri was using two
vox ac-30 amps, though. i never
understood the whole electric flute
thing that dan michaels played.
anyhow, what i got from steve was
mostly about rhythm and how to produce
vocals. his percussion playing is
amazing, he's a pretty solid drummer,
great fills. i don't think that i
really understood timing and rhythm
before i worked with steve.
being the engineer when he produced
was a fairly creative environment, i
could do whatever i wanted sonically.
he sure didn't mind a little
distortion. i think he likes the
degree of mystery i leave in the
recording process. i don't make things
too clean.
some of the orchestral sessions i
worked on with steve and derri for at
the foot of the cross were fun, a full
orchestra, big money, all into two
microphones. when the arranger set
down a stack of sheet music in front
of me and said he made noted about
where i should punch in, that was
funny. a day like that is maybe $5000,
and i can't read music. fortunately
the house engineer could read.
i have a hard time thinking of many
specific stories, it's been a while. i
stopped working with steve when i went
to athens, georgia to record the
elephant-6 bands
oh yeah, when we worked on a record
for a band called my little dog china,
i got sent on a beer run during an ice
storm. i wiped out on the ice and
broke my wrist in a lot of pieces. i
still went for beer. when i returned i
told steve that i needed to go to a
hospital. he said we would go right
after he finished the vocal he was
working on. well, five hours later i
was still punching in vocals left
handed. he drove me to the hospital, i
had an operation on my wrist the next
day. when i woke up the next morning i
checked out of the hospital and went
straight to the studio and steve had
me start the mix. i kept passing out
on the mixing console. steve would
have to wake me up every 20 minutes or
so. i still have a lot of metal in my
wrist from that.
Will Caryn Colbert ever do
anything musical again?
i have no idea where she is. i
can't imagine her doing music. she
ripped me off. she cheated. straight
up. she has refused to talk to me for
years. she had an affair with a well
known christian music producer, then
kicked me out. i find it hard to care.
easy to forgive, but hard to care.
How did the extra fluffy songs
come about?
i've been looking around for a copy
of that. i can barely remember what
songs are on it. flying tart records
bought a week of studio time for me
for a fluffy record. the drummer was
in khazakstan, the singer was in
bolivia, and the bass player was
teaching high school, so i called zack
from joe christmas (now summer hymns)
and tess wiley. i think she still was
in sixpence then. we just made stuff
up in the studio, totally messing
around, pulling lyrics from people
magazine interviews, off of
television, i remember making sample
for drums off the morellas forest e-p
masters. it was a fun free for all
type of affair. a lot of people have
asked me if it was a 4-track record,
when actually is was recorded through
a vintage neve console onto a studer
24 track tape machine. great gear,
little concern. i sorta didn't think
flying tart would put it out, but i
think it ended up being pretty cool.
we played cornerstone on that record.
we had tess playing guitar and
singing, chris simpson from mineral\gloria
record playing bass and singing, and
matt hammond who played with bob
mould, a rock star affair! i don't
think anyone in the audience knew who
was on the stage. we rehearsed in the
hotel that morning.
that was one of my favorite shows
ever.
Can you give us some insight
into the original Mercury recordings?
i've dug around my archives. i cant
find much, it was a long time ago. as
i recollect it was the label taking
off a couple songs and adding a couple
songs, or was it just adding sky high
and taking off chalk, i don't know. i
did some remixes after gene mixed it,
but i can't recollect what songs.
perhaps it's best kept a mystery. i
think it's cool, yet odd that this
record is still a discussion so many
years later. they were a great live
band, some of the most exiting shows i
ever mixed were tpc shows. i don't
think the cd's capture it, and the
endless reunion shows don't have the
danger or magic, not that i've seen
many of them.
when i think about mercury, or most
records i work on i remember the hang,
the fun, or the fights and blow-outs,
not the work. if i worked at burger
king i would have a hard time
remembering a fish sandwich i made ten
years ago, nobody how much people i
don't know liked it. i don't mean to
diminish it at all, but it's far, far
from my favorite project. i think the
same crew completely out did
themselves with the lassie stuff, and
the cush full length is far more
listenable to my ears. maybe i don't
feel the angst of middle class
christianity, which is where those
guys are from. records have a social
context. i've never felt welcomed in
mainstream christian culture, and at
the time tpc was the voice of the
youth of that culture. i grew up poor,
and i came from punk rock, i just
didn't identify with the message. in
the context of the world i grew up in
most christian music seems trite. i
don't diminish the impact it has on
people who feel part of that
something, but that something never
hit me. i'm old enough to remember the
end of the viet-nam war, relatives of
mine were there, i lived in a terrible
part of los angeles county growing up,
food was an issue, gangs were an
issue, being shot at was an issue, so
somebody should explain what part of
the mercury cd is really gonna have an
impact on me, or better yet, on young
people today who live in those
conditions. it's a white man's
record, talking about white man's
issues. the only christian album from
that time that really had my attention
would have been dig by adam again,
gene was talking from my side of town,
not so much from suburbia like tpc. i
love those guys, they are some of my
best friends, but i have never thought
it to be the most challenging of their
work.
Thanks so much for the
interviews!
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